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Mastering Night Shifts: From Sleepless Nights to Energised Days

Dawn

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Ever felt like your world has turned upside down because of night shifts and disrupted sleep patterns? I did, too. In this episode, I recount my personal transformation from anxiety-ridden nights into mastering the art of working odd hours. You'll gain insights into establishing new routines and prioritizing personal hygiene amidst the chaos of unconventional schedules. We tackle common mistakes like skipping meals and ignoring self-care and share mental strategies to cope with the daunting hours of the night. Whether it's work, kids, or travel turning your world topsy-turvy, this candid discussion is your guide to not only surviving but thriving.

Prepare to navigate the quirks of night shifts with me as we explore the delicate dance between the allure of a cozy bed and the fear of waking fatigue-stricken. From strategic naps to adjusting sleep patterns, we cover practical tips to fight tiredness and maintain energy levels. Let’s not forget the quirky, intrusive thoughts that sneak up during those late hours. Injecting humor and relatable anecdotes, I share how I’ve learned to manage time and energy more effectively, making the night shift a little less daunting and a lot more manageable.

The journey doesn't stop there. We delve into the world of sleep aids, with a surprising twist on how antihistamines can be a non-addictive option to help reset sleep routines. From the guilty pleasures of indulging in chocolate-covered hobnobs out of boredom to navigating food and caffeine intake during unconventional hours, I share personal stories that shine a light on the balance between maintaining hygiene and household dynamics. This episode offers a raw, entertaining glimpse into the challenges and strategies that come with working in high-pressure environments like emergency departments, ensuring you’re equipped to tackle night shifts with confidence and a smile.

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Speaker 1:

Oh, I used to be bad. I used to be real bad at night shifts. Now I'm pretty much a pro. That was cringy and here's how I did it. Now, even if you're not into night shifts or you don't do them, guys, this advice is for everyone, because imagine you have kids or a puppy or jet lag, you need to get some advice on how to figure out when your life is upside down. Right now it is nearly 8 pm. For me it's the morning, although my boyfriend did decide to wake me up at 5, which is like 5 a for me, so not ideal, but anyway, 5pm I got up and I will be doing a shift from 10pm till 6am, so it's a pretty good one. Eight hours nice. I'm looking forward to that, because it gets to 6am and you kind of like on a normal night shift, you kind of want to die, like that is the real painful period, because you're like I've still got two hours left and I know you've done loads of it, but it's like oh, like that, yeah, anyway, that's the point mentally where I break.

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But, as I spoke about in the last ep, I was an anxious mess before now. That could have just been my psychological state, but I think night shifts definitely didn't help. In fact, I used to get really bad anxiety on night shifts, like super bad that I really struggled to do them. I couldn't sleep during the day and I used to get like really anxious walking around at night Cause I'd be like this is so creepy Um, someone's definitely going to come and attack me. Anyway, stick around to find out how to adjust your messed up sleep sleep schedule. Messed up sleep schedule and some fun anecdotes along the way, because I was pretty much a mess last night and I was scared for anybody who caught me in the act of what I was doing. So let's get it.

Speaker 1:

Today we'll be covering a couple of common mistakes. Am I even in the screen? No, oh, my god, I nearly dropped my iPad. Then A couple of common mistakes that people do on night shifts mainly me, like I do them all the time, but I don't think I'm the only one Food, showering and hygiene.

Speaker 1:

If you're watching on the video, you'll see that my hair is wet and is not from grease, because my hair was pretty much like an Asian stir fry of noodles, like it was really greasy, so I washed it, wow. So we'll be talking about showering and hygiene. It doesn't sound like I should be talking about that. It's like, come on Dawn, like obviously you're gonna shower and be hygienic when your when your schedule is messed up, you like normally have these habits right and then, as soon as it's like, well, it's 5 pm, should I brush my teeth now? And it's like you need to figure out how, how to readjust your habits, because usually I just go oh, I've woken up, so therefore I will brush my teeth. I have had breakfast, therefore I will brush my teeth. I have had breakfast, therefore I will brush my teeth. Like it's just this chain reaction, whereas when you're on night shifts you're like, well, I've woken up, but it's 5pm and it's dark and it doesn't feel right.

Speaker 1:

Getting in and out of night shift, life, sleeping, tablets I'm going to be covering the drugs, because it's controversial, but potentially required Boredom and food, in no particular order. Now let's talk about getting in and out of night shifts. I have a routine, hashtag, routine. Did I just say that? So, getting to for me, because I'm a night owl, I find getting in and out of night shifts fairly easy. Now I know some people are like early birds. Rest in peace you. This ain't gonna be easy.

Speaker 1:

Okay, now, I've given you a couple of options here, because it's not one size fits all. Depends how lazy you are. If you're lazy like me, I'm not lazy, I just quite like being in bed. It's cosy, it's warm, I feel supported. I'm lying down. It's cosy, it's warm, I feel supported. I'm lying down. It's dark, it's just nice. You know Warm, I just love being warm. So I'm not lazy, but I just I do love being in bed. I might not even be sleeping, I'm just lying there, anyway, getting in, right, getting into night shifts. So you're in daytime life and then you're like right, I'm doing a night shift tomorrow night. Okay, don't start that night like that day being like, yeah, I'll just have a nap today and it'll be fine.

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No, now my biggest fear is being tired. I hate being tired so much because it's like are my eyes going to shut? Am I going to fall over? Am I going to fall asleep at the wheel? Am I going to kill someone? Those are all potentials. So I hate being tired. It's always just really painful to try and get through the day when you're like, really exhausted. So for me, really trying to avoid tiredness is a big factor. I haven't even had a cup of tea today. Yet, oh my God, what's going on?

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And I'm like chatty, no caffeine. And I'm like chatty, no caffeine. And I'm chatty. Who'd have thought that could ever happen? I always thought they were like mutually exclusive, like wait, is that the right phrase, not mutually exclusive, I don't know. Anyway, I thought like I could. I always thought I can't be chatty without caffeine. In my head I said heroin um, I've never taken heroin, guys, don't worry. In fact that would not make me chatty whatsoever.

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But so you know, do you ever have that thing where sometimes your, your mind thinks something like really awful and you're like did I just think that, like it's not, like I'm gonna do it, but my mind like comes up with these like really outrageous thoughts, like you're driving down the road and then your mind's like I wonder what it'd be like if you ran that person over and I like go through this scenario in my head and I realised that it wouldn't be a good option for me or that person, but it still crosses my mind. The other thing is when something's really cute and you really want to squeeze it, but then you realise that because it's so small, because it's cute wait, because it's small. It is therefore cute. Therefore, you could kill it if you squeeze it. Anyway, I'm looking forward to spring. Lenny Wait, what was Lenny's last name from Of Mice and Men? He squeezed a baby animal to death, didn't he Cheerful?

Speaker 1:

Anyway, the day before, let's say, we're doing a night shift. Now your days are going to get completely fucked up. You're like what day is it? I have no idea, I don't even know. It's Thursday, apparently, but because you start and finish your day in two separate days, it feels like it's one day, but it's not. Plot twist. So let's say I start my night shift on Wednesday night at 8pm. Right, so on Monday I'm gonna. Is it Monday? Right there? What day did I just say? I can't even remember Wednesday? Let's say you start your night shift on Wednesday night. Let me just figure this out. My days are so fucked up right now I honestly don't know what's going on.

Speaker 1:

My concept of time, okay, I think I've figured it out five minutes later. So I think, on Tuesday, if you're starting your night shift on Wednesday, on Tuesday you get up late in the morning. Yeah, that's how it works. You get up late and if you need to, monday night, go to bed late If you need to. But you might be the kind of person, a bit like me, who can just stay in bed. I can just stay in bed till 1 or 2 pm. No, maybe not 2. 12 or 1 pm, and I'm like this is fairly easy for me, like this isn't a difficult challenge. So, stay up late on Tuesday, then that means Tuesday night you can try and stay up as late as you can. So ideally, stay up till like three or later if you can, but three is really where I make it. And then I'm like, oh, I'm not feeling this anymore. Then that's that's Tuesday night, early Wednesday morning. Then you go to sleep.

Speaker 1:

Now there are two options here, two options. You're welcome. You can either, on Wednesday morning, get up early, like pretty early, like 7am although that may be normal for most people 7am and then take a nap later in the day. So you do like some you know chores, blah, blah, ladmin, and then you go right, I'm gonna go sleep at like 12 till 6 or whatever, if you can do that some.

Speaker 1:

Sometimes I just wake up and my body's like that is enough sleep for you. You don't need any more beauty sleep. You are beautiful enough. So, but for me, what I do is I wake up late. Shocker, here there is a theme waking up late is my vibe. So I have no self-control. I'm sorry, if I'm tired I'm just gonna stay in bed. That's the case.

Speaker 1:

So on Wednesday morning I stay in bed as long as I can, and so, let's say, I get up at like 12 or something. Then I will try aim to have a nap, maybe like one or two hours in the late afternoon. I think this is like the easiest way to do it. But that's just me. It really depends on your like lifestyle and you know if you've got kids like that's going to be very difficult, but you can always try. Know, if you've got kids like that's going to be very difficult, but you can always try.

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But my problem is self-control and I get tired. So, yeah, then I have a short nap. Two hours is usually quite good. I would say two hours is like a good, you know, a little four till six, something like that. Some you know maybe. Yeah, I think I went to sleep at four the other the other afternoon and that was good. I think I woke up at six because I did start work at 8, so it was like I don't want to be still in bed at 7. So, yeah, that's for your first night shift. Now, as the night shifts go on, this will be easier. Don't worry guys, it gets easier. And then you'll get home from work and you'll be like shit in hell I'm tired, and you'll just go to bed and then you'll wake up or your boyfriend will wake you up at five. So ideally I probably would have gotten up at six to start at 10.

Speaker 1:

I like to have a good few hours before the shift because, realistically, if you got home from a long day shift, you're not going to go to bed straight away. You're going to like sit about and do stuff after, like watch tv or like decompress or talk to people, play with your doggies, take them for a walk, like you're not just gonna get home and go right, it's time for bed. At like 8 30 you might, if it's been a really bad day, but for the most part I would say usually hang about for a couple of hours. So this is my hanging about period for a couple of hours. Okay, getting out of your night shift.

Speaker 1:

Now I'm doing three this week, not so bad. People are like oh my god, how do you. So it's Thursday night tonight. I'm then going to do Friday night and then I'm going to work. So I'm going to finish on Saturday morning, then I'm going to work at on Sunday morning. That gives me 24 hours. People don't think that's long enough, it is. It is. I'll tell you how I do it.

Speaker 1:

So I, saturday morning, I go to sleep when I get back, because I'm usually dead. I'm like dead, go to sleep when I get back, which is usually about half eight, nine in the morning. Everyone's always like is that in the morning or the night? I'm like guys, it's a night shift, like I don't know why you're asking me this, but I'm going to clarify just for to avoid confusion for everybody involved. So then I go, I go to bed now. Ideally you'd wake up at like three, maybe, or ideally earlier. So then I go, I go to bed Now. Ideally you'd wake up at like three, maybe, or ideally earlier. Again, I have no self-control, so ideally you wouldn't go to sleep at all, but that is not my vibe whatsoever. I'm like no, no, no, I need to sleep. So what I do is I go to bed and then I wake up. So last time I woke up at six, which was a little bit dangerous. Then I went to sleep at 12.

Speaker 1:

I needed a night, a night night hole, like a sleeping tablet. I only take half because otherwise I don't wake up the next day or it's very difficult because it's just half is enough for me. Basically, I need enough to make myself tired to go to sleep and then, once I'm asleep, I'm fine. Now that I'm over the depression, I don't get early waking. Woo, that was. The other thing was when I did night shifts before. When you're really depressed, you wake up early and you just can't go back to sleep. So it's like the equivalent of waking up at like 3am and then you're like, okay, no one's awake and I'm alone and I'm depressed and I'm with my thoughts. Things could not be worse. So I took half a sleeping tablet.

Speaker 1:

Ideally I would get up at like one or two, not need a sleeping tablet, and then go to sleep at like 11 and then wake up at six. That's my, my vibe. Now some people get home and they just go. I'm not going to go to sleep and I'm like how there are some people, two people thrive on night shifts. Number one the person who doesn't need much sleep will cope on four hours sleep. I know a couple of those people. They do very well on night shifts because they can stay up on you know the day before and they can not get much sleep during the day. And then they can. They can, um, stay awake after their night shifts. Or the person who's like me, who can stay in bed forever because if you're organized and you don't have a lot of stuff on which is you know, that's where you need to be organized, don't plan anything. You can then just stay in bed all the time and it's like it's like a little you know party. It's a great time. I'm like oh, I get to stay in bed for a whole like 12 hours today. I'm not asleep that whole time. My eyes are shut. People think dawn's asleep because our eyes are shut. No, doesn't? That's not the case. I just play very good sleep. What I play asleep very well, okay, that's how you get out of night shifts. That's my well.

Speaker 1:

Whilst we're on it, let's talk about sleeping tablets. I'm not opposed to them. I use half a nitol which is 25 milligrams. Milligrams of diphen. Wait there, diphenhydramine. Diphenhydramine oh, I was nearly there.

Speaker 1:

It's basically an antihistamine and I was gonna say you could also use antihistamines. You don't have to buy Nital probably cheaper just to get some chlorphenamine, which I think is also a drowsy antihistamine. You need to get a drowsying one, not a non-drowsying one. Just Google it. I can never remember. I have to check every time. I think chlorphenamine is a drowsying one. And then there are some. They affect me quite a lot. I get so drowsy so I even the non-drowsying ones. I'm like a nap might might be in order, but I can usually stay awake with the non-drowsy ones. The drowsy ones are great for flights, are great for night shifts, are great if you're an insomniac, because they're not addictive.

Speaker 1:

The issue is some people use other drugs, danger drugs, number one opioids. Now you might think, oh god, I'm not a heroin addict, but you don't have to be a heroin addict. Guys, you can get something called codeine or you can probably get other things in America, but codeine you can get over the counter here. Not at like huge strengths, but you can get it. Anyway, it's pretty, pretty addictive. I have it from when I had a knee injury and I've had it about three years and I've, you know, I use it very, very infrequently and 15 milligrams is enough to knock me out for 12 hours. So I very rarely use it unless I'm in like really significant pain and actually I will prefer for sleep I prefer to to use antihistamines Other people.

Speaker 1:

Now this is a really naughty one. I think worse is because it doesn't even make you sleep better. That's how it's dangerous Alcohol People go oh, I'm just going to have a nightcap to maybe go to sleep. No, guys, please avoid alcohol at all costs when trying to, like you know, sort out your sleep or whatever it might make you feel tired. But it actually doesn't help you sleep. Like it makes your sleep really light, like you don't get into a deep sleep whatsoever, helps you get to sleep, but like your sleep is then really disturbed. You wake up more tired the next day and of course it's addictive and of course it gives you reflux and it's got loads of calories and it's really crap for you. So it's like the worst option. Like, please, if I save one person from deciding that they're going to use alcohol to try and go to sleep, stop it. Stop it now. I have fulfilled my life purpose if I do that. So yeah, I would say not.

Speaker 1:

Don't use them frequently. Like if I can go to sleep without a night owl, like without um, a sleeping tablet? Great, I won't use them, I will avoid them, but unfortunately sometimes it is the case and I, you know, I had some really bad insomnia at some points and I've had to use them just to try and sort out my sleep, because I was going to sleep at like 3am and I was like this is exhausting. You know, I've still got to live a life, but my body just ain't letting me slash my mind. Anyway, it sorted out my sleep routine, but I'm not saying it's for everyone and I'm not saying it's necessarily a good idea, but it's like a last resort kind of situation.

Speaker 1:

Okay, now we move on to food. Okay, now I'm going to tell you my really tragic story that happened to me early hours of this morning. Technically, there I was pretty bored I'll cover boredom in a minute. But I was pretty bored. I was like there's nothing to do. So I did some stuff on my iPad, you know. I did some stuff like I obviously checked to see there was nothing to do. There wasn't.

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So I always get this guilt when there's nothing to do. It's like I could definitely do something, but like what? And then I don't know this is a big like doctor guilt, I feel. I think we're always so busy that it's like, if we're not busy, it's like you're lazy, you're not working hard enough. You're shit like why are you working and why are they working and you're not? You're getting paid for this and you're not doing it, and it's like this constant, like negative feedback in your head of like you're not working hard enough, you're lazy, and it's like I'm not, there's just nothing to do. But I'm so unused to this state that I don't know what to do with myself.

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So, anyway, I went up to, I went and did a naughty I did a very naughty deed indeed. Oh, I didn't expect that. I went and I found biscuits. That's not even the worst part, guys. I found biscuits and then I found chocolate spread. You might think, okay, don't eat chocolate spread out of the jar. Fine, we've all been there. No, it was even worse than that, because instead of eating it on toast or you know, you can probably see where this is going or on the spoon, which I feel is probably more acceptable, as long as you don't double dip.

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I decided that dunking hobnobs, chocolate covered hobnobs into chocolate hazelnut spread, which is like literally 50% sugar would be a good idea. And there I am, standing in the office thinking, if somebody walks in now, I'm not sure how I'm going to explain this. There are spoons on the side. I could have taken the, the less judgmental option, but there I was dipping hobnobs I'm getting flashbacks dipping hobnobs into what was you know, fake Nutella. Basically, my excuse is well, I'm just, you know, saving the environment. Um, you know, less spoons, less washing up, right? So there we go anyway.

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Apart from that, and eating a substantial amount of chocolate, which I definitely shouldn't anyway, guys, I think I've gotten thinner because I can actually like see my pubic hair now. So I probably shouldn't have said that, but I already did. I have to suck in a little bit, but I can see it. When I look down, I feel like it's been a long time since that's happened. It's not as easy as if you're a guy. Guys bits stick out, women's don't. So it's actually quite a feat, if you're not that skinny to be able to see you right down there.

Speaker 1:

Anywho, um, guys, for food. It's the same times, but it's just the opposite. It's easy. You eat breakfast at 8am, eat dinner. Wait. You eat breakfast 8am, eat breakfast at 8pm. You eat lunch at 1pm, eat lunch at 1am. You eat dinner at 6pm, eat dinner at 6am. You just swap the times. It's like not that hard, unless you're doing like a weird night shift where it's like kind of a twilight. That does kind of fuck you up a little bit. If you're doing like a four till midnight or something, then you kind of get on your shift and you're like, well, I'm two hours in, it's 6 pm. I don't really feel like it's time for food, so you end up eating at like eight or nine.

Speaker 1:

Tea and coffee or just generally caffeine drinks. Stay away from them. After 2 p, 2 am sorry, some people are fine, they can drink caffeine. Sorry, some people are fine, they can drink caffeine all night long and they are fine, they can go to sleep. I'm not one of those people. You just need to figure out if you're one of those people or not. But it wires me and my mind goes a racing, showering and hygiene.

Speaker 1:

So I'm going to now brush my teeth at 8 p. I haven't. I didn't brush them when I woke up, because what I do shock horror is I eat and then wait and then brush my teeth. I've already brushed my teeth when I went to bed right and not eating anything, so that's, they're protected. So I wake up, brush my teeth, and I brush my teeth before I go to work because otherwise you get stinky breath. Now what I used to do was take my toothbrush to work, but actually what I found that is, if you, just if you brush your teeth after breakfast, like right before you leave to go to work, you're actually okay. And if you don't go to sleep, if you go to sleep, take a toothbrush, I don't know what it does, but it it fucks up your mouth, it like makes you stink and I just don't like stinking. It's like one of my biggest fears. So it really depends on your situation.

Speaker 1:

I'm a non-sleeper. During night shifts I don't think it's a good idea and you know sometimes I don't have a choice anyway. But definitely tonight I won't because I'm in the emergency department and they're not going to let me sleep, that's for sure. But maybe on like a ward cover shift, like you might be able to. Hygiene is quite difficult, I think. Now I've obviously showered this morning, as in this morning is this evening, but this morning for me, ideally I like to shower before I go to bed, but the issue is my partner's often asleep and the shower is right next to the bedroom. I don't think he'll appreciate me turning it on and making loads of noise at 8am in the morning. He's not an early riser as well. Rest in peace, our children. They're just never gonna see their parents in the morning.

Speaker 1:

So what I did this morning slash last night was I actually had like a little baby wipe freshen up, which is not ideal, but it got me through obviously. Then I brushed my teeth before I go to sleep and so I did my feet, my under boob and my bits and my face not in that order and then I brushed my teeth and then I got into bed. Perfect boredom, oh my god, last night. Last night was relatively q word as in I'm not allowed to say it. Maybe you're allowed to say it when you're not on the shift. Anyway, it was quiet, so it was a bit boring, I think once you sometimes you literally have done all of your work and you're like there's no one to see.

Speaker 1:

Um, I mean, obviously there's always more to do like you could go and do somebody else's job, but it's like why punish yourself? Like you are, you know you can help other people, but sometimes too many cooks spoil the broth and it's like give yourself a rest, come on, we don't need to be working all the time. So but keeping yourself busy is important. Last night I took my ipad. It was pretty much a game changer. I think I would have lost my mind otherwise. The issue is, if you start watching tv, if you start scrolling on instagram or tiktok or facebook, your dopamine is like ding, ding, ding, ding, and then when you stop, your brain's like wait, no, I want that, I want that back, come back. Nothing will ever fulfill my dopamine needs as much as this anymore. So then working just seems like a really bad idea, even more of a worse idea than it did before. So I think keeping yourself busy, either taking a book or a magazine, or I take my iPad and, just like I wrote, I wrote this um podcast outline actually last night. I mean it didn't take me very long, guys. I you know, probably like 15, 20 minutes, but it's called multitasking, so I did that.

Speaker 1:

The book is nice and easy. You want one that's easy that you can just pick up and put back down. You're like bam, bam, bam and then you know you don't want one where you have to like get into it. And you, you know you need to be engrossed, because the issue is you're still at work and I don't really have like set breaks, like you just sort of have a break when you don't have any work. So you don't want to get into something that you're like not going to want to put down and actually because otherwise you get into this thing of being like, oh god, they're making me work, like I was totally reading a book. How dare they? And it's like no Dawn, you were at work, you are at work and you should actually probably just do your work like. So you want something like a magazine is quite easy, because it's like kind of low effort.

Speaker 1:

A book can sometimes get like if it's like a novel, I think sometimes you get too into the story and you're a bit like oh, I don't want to leave. When I read Harry Potter, I like couldn't stop, so don't take Harry Potter. The problem is when you get to three or four am and it's like you're too tired to really want to do anything, but you're also bored because sometimes there's nothing to do. That's the danger zone. Oh, my god, sorry to yawn, sorry danger zone.

Speaker 1:

I started talking to people. I often I'll just try and find something to do. I'm like I'll just go and do a cannula or I'll go and do an ABG or something arterial blood gas, where you stick a needle in someone's artery. And I did quite a few of those last night because I was struggling. I was like time was just going quite slowly and I just I didn't want it to. So I thought you know what? I'll just go and do something. Also, it needed doing. I wasn't just doing them for fun. So, yeah, I do think just filling your life up with those little tasks I mean they need to be done anyway. So it's like you're just helping someone out and it does stop the time from going extremely slowly. But, like I said it does, it is like an easy fix to just go. Oh, I'll just get my phone out and I'll just look at like TikTok or whatever, I'll just look at shorts, and then I just feel dead inside afterwards I'm like, oh, I don't want to do anything else because it doesn't feel as good as what I was just doing. So that is the danger.

Speaker 1:

I think I spoke about it last time. I've kind of spoken about it already. Guys, don't plan things for the day. That's a common mistake with night shifts. I unfortunately haven't gone to see my horse in a few days because of night shift life and also because my car's broken. I probably would have gone had my car been back, because I mean, I got up at five so like I definitely could have done something in the evening. However, I'm talking to you, so just don't be like, yeah, I'll come to lunch at 2 pm when you've got a night shift that night, like no, it's, it's a dangerous move. I've. I've fucked myself over many a time by doing that, not by lunch, but like agreeing to doing stuff, and then I'm like, oh my god, I've got to go to bed and then I'm like but then I've got to go to the pharmacy and I've got to pick my car up and I've got to go and meet this person and it's just exhausting. I mean, it's exhausting in the day, let alone when you have to be up for 12 hours overnight. Anyway, guys, I hope you enjoyed that.

Speaker 1:

Um, I do have lots of new episodes coming up. They're in the mix, they're ready to go. Wow, I just haven't recorded them yet because I'm not lazy, I'm just disorganized. So, but they will be out on a Thursday Unsure what time. Currently, this one's probably going to be out about 830. So thanks so much for listening guys. If you'd like to give it a like, if you want to subscribe, you can do that and leave me some fan mail. Um, if you're on like spotify or my uh buzzsprout website, my podcast website, you can do that somehow. Just find it and say hi, dawn, love the podcast. Maybe you could do an episode on this, or hi, dawn, constructive feedback. The end. Okay, thanks for listening guys, or watching, and I'll see you in the next episode. Big old kiss on your little fuzzy head.

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